Pablo Torre

And so what you do is you create something, you plant a tree whose very existence, of course, as a recycler of air,

can actually take carbon out right that's what trees do they put out oxygen they take in carbon and so a carbon credit is literally the planting of a tree would be the very five second messy summary of a frankly now increasingly scrutinized business that was at the core of aspiration in this episode and steve ballmer's alleged circumvention of the nba salary cap

Yeah, I'm going to say this in the current form that I currently exist in, which is probably a miscalculation by me, because I think this question hinges on whether the NBA takes this reporting seriously.

And I mean that...

This is a story that has frankly astounded me in terms of just the interest from people.

If you were to think about just the stories that I've looked into, I didn't expect this one to be as big.

I don't think the NBA did either, frankly.

And so I say all of that to say that the NBA is a wildly reactive organization.

Keep in mind the salary caps, CBA circumvention, the rules are not real laws.

They are things adjudicated by the commissioner.

And so the question the commissioner is going to ask himself is, how small can I make this problem before it becomes a problem for us?

And every episode is the fourth episode we've done in an ongoing investigative series just indicates that the scope of this is genuinely unprecedented in terms of how elaborate it is, in terms of the implications for what people should have known but did not act upon, allegedly.

and so the question of how could the nba escape this frankly it depends upon how much people care about the story because the journalism i just can't stress this enough despite what i am currently doing with you at this moment the journalism could not be more serious in terms of how real the paperwork is documentation is the story of investigative journalism and we have the documentation

When you don't have the documentation in the absence of, for instance, the note that says I circumvented the cap, signed Steve with a heart emoji.

You got to go to human sources, primary sources.

I've given now an seemingly ongoing parade also of that.

People who went on tape, people who are now signed, the CFO of the company, former CFO, the chief legal officer, the CTO.

They're now on the record disputing the idea that Andre Cherney, the co-founder of Joe Sandberg of Aspiration.

what he said, which is that this was not a no-show deal, that this was something that he doesn't remember the salary cap being involved in.

Those three guys have co-signed their reporting.