Pablo Torre

And so there is this thing of like, well, there are fall guys, according to this logic as well, right?

We're not gonna touch the big man, but we might get to have someone lower on the org chart take the fall for him, if that.

But it's, look, it's depressing.

It's depressing to live in an era in which the owners of these teams are richer than ever from industries like tech that are less accountable than ever,

And I think it all redounds to this notion of people feeling like they're heirlooms, whether it's, I don't know, whether it's the emotional attachment they have to the premise of like, ah, we're a country with laws, we're a civil society, or it's, hey, in sports, you got to play by the rules.

It's depressing to not immediately know that those things are being prioritized when you're paying money into a system that is effectively telling you we're going to care about these things.

And what a prison it is, right?

I know.

The sort of Club Med, right, idea there.

Look, and this is a, the Epstein files to me are also like a sports story in real ways.

I mean, it was interesting to see Bill Gates after the first, I guess it was months ago now, but like that wave in which he was really now a protagonist in the files.

The first public appearance he made was sitting next to his partner at Microsoft, Steve Ballmer, at a Clippers game.

That was the first place he was like, I'm going to be out in the world again.

And what I'm reminded of, and we also interviewed a former three-time Democratic congressman, Tom McMillan, the six-foot-ten-ish guy in the video where he's walking in with Epstein, shaking hands with Trump at Mar-a-Lago.

We interviewed him on the show, and it was an uncomfortable interview.

I'm very glad we did it, but it was tense and awkward at times.

And it reminded me that sometimes the only thing we can hope for is some notion of public reaction.

that feels maybe like we're imposing something like shame.

Because, again, the legal recourse is not necessarily...

available or close to guaranteed.