Pam Stepnick
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It's almost embarrassing sometimes.
Yeah.
I mean, that can be tough.
It's almost tough.
They have grown up and I did want to touch on this because you're talking about the, you know, kind of trauma as their kids.
My family and friends told me all along, your kids will see it.
Don't worry.
The counselors told me, because I was thinking I was going to stay because I didn't want to leave them.
Thinking of that's, oh, I'm leaving them like kind of with the devil.
I didn't really say that to myself.
I mean, I did say it to myself.
I didn't say it out loud.
The counselors said, do not do it.
He will not change.
I had one counselor tell me he's a psychopath.
Except he didn't write a book, so.
It's like, I've been here.
Yeah, you know he's not because he threatened to.
Logan's like, Dad, then go ahead.
Write your book.