Pam Stepnick
👤 SpeakerAppearances Over Time
Podcast Appearances
And I try to focus on that stuff for sure.
No.
I don't think they started out negative, right?
It all started love and everyone thinking they're funny and all that kind of greatness and
Except, I'll say, when you start to gain fame, then all of a sudden people are like jealous, turn against you a little bit.
So that maybe I thought would affect them in a negative way.
And I saw it not affect them in a negative way, but I still was affected.
But as the years have gone by, and I think a lot of it started with the boxing, where that narrative went down.
Crazy.
Well, besides when they've hit rock bottom in their multiple... Scandals.
Scandals.
Thank you.
Scandals.
I understood it more then, I think.
So I just didn't really pay attention to it.
We had other things to worry about.
Always, Jake.
Yeah, right?
Always.
From the time he was little.