Pamela Garfield-Jaeger

But then, yeah, then there's the flip side, as Ryan was saying, is there's people who really could benefit from therapy.

And one population that comes to mind, Ryan, you know more about now, is substance abuse people who are drug addicts.

I mean, you can't always just do it on your own.

You can't always pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

It depends.

Agreed.

on what the situation is.

So we've got people who are making mountains out of molehills, but then we've got people who are really self-destructive and are on a scary path and they cannot pull themselves out.

And that's when they really might benefit from professional help.

Especially men.

Right.

I would not want to see a liberal female therapist.

If you're not mentally stable and you're worried you're going to end up reaching across and punching your therapist, it's probably not going to go well.

With toxic feminism.

To not go to that 24-year-old, that'd be a smart decision.

We're not all crazy, I guess, maybe.

But most of us are and use a lot of discretion.

That your therapist over and over again.

It might seem cool for a while until they're not.