Pamela Garfield-Jaeger

Ryan, where'd you go?

All right, let's keep talking.

I'm sorry to interrupt you.

It sounds like she wasn't ready.

She wasn't ready.

Regardless, I don't think it had to do with you not being the right therapist.

I don't know if it's because I'm conservative, but I've become a little, I guess, questioning of systems and big pharma and all of the traditional things that we've been taught.

So I'm just skeptical.

Maybe that's part of being conservative or just being skeptical.

But I'm more holistic, I believe, than most of the liberal colleagues are.

I'm going to question.

I'm going to wonder.

It's out of my scope medically, but I'm going to wonder if they're on psychotropic drugs, if those are helping or hurting.

I'm going to wonder if they've had a bunch of vaccines, if that has something to do with the symptoms that they're going through.

I'm going to just look at all as much as I can.

I'm going to look at all the different influences and not just...

pigeonhole what the DSM says or what I'm supposed to think and just send them on this pathway, this one size fits all pathway that our profession seems to be doing.

Pamela, that's just the DSM.

Exactly.

Yeah.