Pascal Auclair

Further than this, the way I reflect on this, the way it touches me in a kind of contemporary way when we think about this to me is I think of norms, clinging to norms, clinging to ways of doing things.

And, you know, these four aspects, they can be close to one another.

They can connect to one another.

You know, like we make four kinds, but they kind of, there's a play between them, you know, because why do we cling sometimes to ways of doing things and norms?

Because they're agreeable.

They're comfortable for us there.

You know, so it touches on the first list for the first aspect, maybe.

A lot of racism will be based around this, like the norms that are established by a lot of the white people, of ways to do things.

We see this in—for me, I spend a lot of time in the spiritual realm, in Buddhist realms, in retreat centers.

In the West, there's a kind of a white way to do things.

And we're not willing to question this.

We cling to this.

And I remember I was at a conference and there was a woman who said, what's wrong with you?

You don't dance your dharma?

And I was like, oh yeah, look at this.

Look at how in that milieu, this is what the dharma, what the meditation or spiritual practice looks like.

And it's not danced.

you don't dance it, you know?

Or you don't sing it with gusto, you know?

And so, and I think it can be so enriching for us to question these.