10% Happier with Dan Harris
Your Mind Gets Stuck In Four Ways — Here's How To Break Free | Pascal Auclair
10 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hey, gang, welcome to the 10% Happier podcast. I'm your host, Dan Harris. Today, we're talking about one of the Buddha's lists. As you may know, the Buddha was an obsessive list maker in his quest to help us upgrade our minds. He made all sorts of lists, the Four Noble Truths.
seven factors of enlightenment i could go on today we are specifically talking about a list uh called the four kinds of clinging these are ways in which our minds get caught up so we're going to talk about these uh these four ways in which we get embroiled or caught up or entangled and then some ways uh to unhook my guest is the great dharma teacher pascal o'clair who's been on this show before
And he has been studying and practicing Buddhism since 1997. So he's been at this for a minute. He's also a co-founder and guiding teacher of True North Insight. Pascal Leclerc, coming up. A few things before we hear from our sponsors. If you haven't already checked out my new-ish meditation app, 10% with Dan Harris, I would love for you to do so.
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Chapter 2: What are the Four Kinds of Clinging in Buddhism?
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Chapter 3: How does clinging to pleasure affect our happiness?
I love this. So it's not like, oh, my mind, my thoughts. It's like, oh, there's a lot of thoughts in here. There's a lot of emotional life happening in this system, you know? And, you know, and yeah, at the beginning, I think my breath. And then later I think, oh, the breath is a little...
you know, congested or contracted, you know, or the breath is, the breathing is happening easily today, you know, it's not so much referring to me. And in an experiential way, also, people will be sitting, you know, and at the beginning, you might feel my hands, my hands are resting on my lap, you know, and at some point, very naturally, you're like, ah, It's just a field of tingling, you know?
So it's just a slight different view. It's not suddenly the hand disappeared, you know? But it's experienced slightly differently, not as the concept, my hand, the idea, my hand, but a little field of heat or a little field of tingling, you know? And it's so beautiful when there's some release around emotion because my fear and my agitation and my aversion and my hatred and my impatience.
And Pascal, there's a lot of impatience. There's a lot of anger running through the system right now. That opening, that not being so fused and identified, it really has a taste of freedom. And it's not like it's not happening. So it's not the extreme of denial. It's not the extreme of totally identified. It's the middle path of recognizing what is there. Oh, you know, there's a body.
It's important to take care of the body, to love the body. There's a mind. It's important to take care of it. And the same with thoughts. You know, at the beginning, I'm thinking about this. And at some point, it has a lot of things to say in there. It keeps commenting all the time. While I'm meditating, you know, it's not so personal anymore.
And, you know, joy appears and more ease appears, you know, and less guilt, less shame, less anxiety disappears. The selfing, you know, this activity of owning, appropriating, leads to all these things. Guilt, arrogance, shame, greed, hatred. This is, you know, it leads to obsession. That's a direct path to obsession.
And I'm so happy these teachings are there and these invitations to go question this because, yeah, we're in a world now of like self-promotion, self-made, I'm self-made and...
you know everything i can say like this is all me saying this yeah it's all me pascal saying this but thank you joseph thank you dance podcast and thank you thank you you know you know like i'm totally related to all the people who have taught me like i'm not separate in this way um Yeah, so interconnection, less separation in that view that we can discover for ourselves.
When Marissa, who's producing this episode, reached out to you to ask you to come on the show and to talk to you about being Teacher of the Month on the 10% app, she asked you, like, what's up in your practice? Like, what are you thinking about the most in your practice? Where are you focused? And you mentioned this non-self concept as being the thing that was really like on your mind.
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