Pat LaLama

He said nothing.

There's an arrogance and there's a sense of invincibility.

And I see it a lot.

But in this guy, it was times 10.

Not him.

Oh, there's no way this man was so spiritual and so Zen.

And he was a poet and he said he didn't need worldly goods and that he had these two little Pomeranians and they followed him like ducks.

And he was just so cerebral and wise.

And that's, again,

I think we are writing the handbook for predators here today in this podcast because these are all the usual signs.

And that's how he gets in by the charm.

He was on the 10 most wanted list.

He was just guffawing at American authorities like, you know, you'll never get me.

He probably got very comfortable, Deborah, where he just felt that maybe eventually the heat was off.

But lo and behold, they got him.

Hey, Debra. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited to talk about this case.

Hey, Debra. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited to talk about this case.

And, Debra, for me to say that is big because I've covered so many trials, and yet this one touched me in ways I can't describe. Let's put it this way, Debra. I live in Hollywood, right? It's the mecca of... screenwriters looking for that Oscar-winning script that'll put their name in lights.

And, Debra, for me to say that is big because I've covered so many trials, and yet this one touched me in ways I can't describe. Let's put it this way, Debra. I live in Hollywood, right? It's the mecca of... screenwriters looking for that Oscar-winning script that'll put their name in lights.

There is nothing those screenwriters can write that, to me, equals what I'm seeing every day in this particular case. It is downright Shakespearean. It is the human condition. Greed, lust, infidelity, anger, jealousy put it all together. And this is the case that you have.