Pat Sunderland

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407 appearances 3 recordings 1 series first heard May 2026 last heard 24 Aug

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If You're Listening · Matt's producers present the weirdest tales from the basement · 4 May 2026 podcast

The media response ranged from ridicule to, ''Who the hell are these new Nazis?''

And it was essentially the final death knell for the movement.

New membership slowed to a trickle.

Howard Scott died in 1970.

There are still some technocrats around.

They call themselves Technocracy Incorporated, but they barely do not exist anymore.

I went onto their official website.

It is abandoned.

And that's what I thought was the end of the story.

But there is one important legacy that technocrats still have today.

While all this was happening in the US, there was a sister movement in Canada.

Technocracy had a really big moment at the same time.

And that was led by a chiropractor called Joshua Haldeman.

Does this man look familiar to anyone in the crowd?

Oh, God.

Joshua Haldeman, the chiropractor, a man who fervently believed in the idea that engineers should rule the world, is the maternal grandfather of Elon Musk.

Luckily...

Elon Musk shows no sign of following in his grandfather's belief that engineers should rule the world.

But he does believe that they should rule a world.

Thank you very much.

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