Patrick Campbell

Christian's smiling big, so I know that that is true.

Yeah.

So it's not an animosity thing.

Yeah.

Christopher O'Donnell and I are very similar in many different ways.

I think that's why we work really well together in terms of trying to create greatness.

He made HubSpot what it is.

He is top 10 product leader in the world, in the freaking world in terms of B2B SaaS.

And Aaron White, one of the best technologists I've ever met, he's a CTO and running tech over at Vendor.

Vendor.

These guys are my brothers.

And so I don't bring up the story for any animosity.

I bring up the story of it would have saved all three of us a lot of bullshit and emotions if we would have just handled this the other way.

And I'm 99% certain they agree with this as well.

We kind of stopped talking about it four or five years ago because we were like, cool, we're on a path.

it doesn't work for us to like rehash this a bunch of times because like, let's just move forward if that makes sense.

Totally.

Like we would have probably gotten to the exact same numbers that we got to,

if we would have had that conversation year two, then like doing all these little bits over the past, like 10 years, essentially.

The other way to do this is, I don't know, maybe I wouldn't have been incentivized.