Patrick Campbell

Cause like going after this revenue milestone was a lot of like, well, I know I'm going to get the next equity grant.

I know I'm going to get that, or the whole team's going to get the next equity grant.

So I don't know, maybe the way we did it was right.

I don't think so.

Cause it definitely caused me a lot of like bad nights, but I think it was definitely one of those things that like, you just have to have good communication and good alignment.

And I think I didn't really do that maturely in the first few years.

Like I just kind of got into this hole of like, these guys are a little more of my adversaries than they really are.

Maybe.

Yeah.

I think that it's not always about money, right?

I think dating your co-founder for a little bit or dating those folks, I know for the rest of my life, I'm building companies with the people I'm already building with, right?

And the plus or minus of those people will just depend on interest and timing and those types of things.

But the

I think it's one of those things where finding that tribe is almost more important.

I think, for example, Harrison's not in the business anymore.

Christopher and Aaron, I haven't directly worked with.

But the next company, if we're like, oh, cool, we're going to start this cool thing.

There's a list of people we contact first because they're known quantities.

Like we know strengths, weaknesses, we know all of those things.

And it's like, yeah, like I don't know Harrison that well, but what I know of Harrison is like, yeah, I'd love to be on a founding team with him.