Patrick O'Shaughnessy

I can imagine a Ladder dating service.

I can imagine Ladder being an origination platform for GLP-1.

Or Ladder Coach Tools, which is absolutely a business.

The Ben Thompson sense of aggregation theory.

You're maybe a consumer aggregator.

You've aggregated a lot of demand in this specific space.

Historically, those companies have figured out how to monetize in lots of different ways.

How do you think about the siren song of higher ARPU and new sources of revenue?

In that big long-term vision, fitness, working out and nutrition are two obvious major food groups of the vision.

But what are the other big stepping stones that you think about?

One more question is what it's like talking to investors now versus early on.

This thing has changed quite a bit.

Your sources of capital have gotten- We talk about push versus pull.

Yeah.

Increasingly sophisticated over time.

I was the least sophisticated at the start.

You've gotten to much smarter, more institutional investors ever since the beginning.

This remarkable journey is completely crazy.

I know it's hopefully chapter one or two and there's a long story to still be written.

What is the kindest thing anyone's ever done for you?