Patrick O'Shaughnessy

That'd be one example.

There's lots of similar heuristics.

How do you think about, especially because you're investing at the growth stage, probably closer to the opportunity to sell to another investor or the thing going public, talk about what you've learned about selling and just how you've done it so far.

What are the most interesting strategies or things that upstarts do to beat incumbents?

What are your favorite ways that companies beat incumbents?

It's incredibly fun to explore all this with you in a formal way, having done it so informally for 20 years or whatever it is.

I think you might know my traditional closing question.

What is the kindest thing that I haven't ever done for you?

Amazing simple thought.

Thanks for your time, man.

Great to be with you.

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