Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Maybe describe that ambition and that vision a little bit.

It was actually Daniel Eck at Spotify who introduced us originally.

Obviously, he's built one of the great European origin businesses.

Why do you think there are not more of them?

Obviously, you're seeking to change this, but there's not that many.

What do you think the deep reasons are?

Was that a key part of the original vision that you wanted it to be a beacon for European talent to show the world that a company like this could exist here?

So why?

Why do you care so much?

Why not just go to California?

You said this idea of test yourself.

If you think back on Bending Spoon's history, what was the first example of you really testing your own limits?

To get some cash, yeah.

Oh, okay.

Willingness to do anything to get going.

I've never heard that before.

One person funds the other two to be building, and then you join them on weekends.

Yeah.

Between Evertail and Bending Spoons, where did the insight come from to be an M&A driven acquirer of businesses rather than building them?

I'm going to come back to the beginning and the early acquisitions, but since you mentioned it now, describe what you've learned those advantages are that exist having, I'll call it a home office that sits on top of a lot of different business units.