Paul Bissonnette

Also, Larkin had to come back from an injury as well.

So he might not be playing at 100%.

So now all of a sudden you've got people questioning Stevie why they want him gone.

The fan base is divided on that.

They're questioning their captain's leadership and what he's able to do and whether he's a number one center or not.

It's ugly as the discourse from the fan base and the media side of it in Hockey Town.

Well, that's because of Ryan Whitney.

That's because a little bit of delusion for the winged wheel.

Olivier.

A guy who can play, but also instills fear in his opponents.

Some size, some meat on that fourth line.

And it kind of turned with... Especially Detroit was the first team to really turn in the Babcock era where they didn't have a tough guy.

They didn't have...

a lot of physicality and toughness on their fourth lines.

After that, there was a... Like when they won, when they beat us in 08.

The Ablicators.

yeah, but yeah.

Okay.

Maybe more.

So it's gotten even softer, but that, that once the, the, the Maltby Draper McCarty era ended in Detroit, it really felt like when Babcock came in, there wasn't a lot of that, like that, that toughness to instill.