Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
Like if you and I chose a word right now and said it 500 times, we would know it's just a silly experiment, but we'd both be saying it tonight, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
Because our brains are also creatures of habit.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
So if you over and over and over have to isolate yourself from affect and you develop those mechanisms, well, you develop those mechanisms and they don't go away any easier than if we said the word 500 times and decided to forget.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
The first thing, the very first thing, is to acknowledge to ourselves and often to others, which might be one other person, it might be in words, spoken, it might be written, what the trauma has been.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
Because the lessons of trauma, the evil lessons of trauma, and I'll use the example of my own life, the lesson that told me that I was shameful, cursed, and hopeless.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
It's a very evil lesson, but my brain will say it over and did say it over and over and over to me.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
And if that just sits inside, that's how trauma festers, that's how trauma hijacks our thoughts, our emotions.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
So being able to say to ourselves and to another, this is what's happened.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
Okay, this is what's happened.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
We're built to massage words and to create meaning through words, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
Like we don't massage pictures, right, images.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
We talk and massage meaning with words.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
So when I finally went to see a therapist and I could say, you know, my brother, whatever words I would have said, like he killed himself and I can't
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
accept it or I can't imagine it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
And like, I let it happen.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
Like, so I had to say those things, right?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
So then I could begin to bring some sense of truth to it, you know?
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
And I think it was a long time ago, but the therapist probably said something like, okay, probably sees on you, you let it happen.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#357 β Paul Conti: Narcissism, Sociopathy, Envy, and the Nature of Good and Evil
It's your fault, right?