Paul Peterson

Uh, we got a good home, right?

All the infrastructure stuff has taken place for us.

Now, while we're very different, our customers are very different than Avanti's, um,

but we're able to take advantage of all the accounting and order entry and legal and personnel and benefits and keep our team going.

So they pick up a little bit of that, but we're still a very big contributor to their ongoing success.

Uh, we, we don't, we don't calculate it much.

It's, uh, cause we're pretty, pretty stable on the renewals.

Uh,

what what happens typically uh people disappear for a year or two for whatever reason they won't pay you know for a year or two but then they come back because they need a release that has a security enhancement or something of that sort so uh and and we have uh i talked to somebody who's running a product uh version seven which was last updated in 2005 and i was chatting think about all the things that have changed you know i don't know five or five or six presidents and

who knows how many operating systems Microsoft has gone through.

Right.

But the product is, can run.

So, so we have a lot of customers that have invested in it.

Once they get it working, they don't, they don't change it.

It's, it's the old adage that, uh, uh, salespeople like change.

They just don't like to be changed.

Yeah.

So, but so, uh, we have customers that have called me up.

In fact, uh, uh, we talked to somebody yesterday that I was on the original sale in 1999.

They worked with one of my resellers to get trained and they had, uh,