Paul Tashima

So how much have you raised?

So today we've raised just a little over $7 million U.S., and we have put some of our own money in, but it is a good way to test the business to see if you can go raise money.

Even as second-time entrepreneurs, it's still a good way to test the business.

I don't think they ever come with that objection.

They actually want to be part of the second one.

So they're actually looking at it as an opportunity to de-risk another investment with entrepreneurs who've done it before.

I think, to be fair, probably the question they may ask is, how do we know you have fire in the belly anymore?

Yeah, and so that's all up to you as an entrepreneur to prove to them you still have passion.

I mean, we could have...

we could have retired if they're staying at Oracle for four years, probably, but instead we're going to go back at it and, um, we want to do something big and we explain why and our passion for it.

And I think they, that's why they buy into it.

I love that.

Okay.

So, and what year was that?

So we, we, we didn't do the, uh, the VC financing round until 2015.

Sorry.

I meant, when did you, when did you, when did you launch the company?

Oh, well, we started coding probably back in late 2014, but we didn't come out with a product.

It was a pretty long build for about two years till we came up with something that we thought people could play around with.

So we only launched the commercial product around four months ago, five months ago.