Pavel Durov

The initial instinct from, say, President Macron's team when they're confronted with some footage

for example, the footage of his wife slapping him, would be to say it's all fake Russian imagery, something that is inaccurate, something that is misinformation or interference.

And then when they are confronted with more information, they have to refine the narrative.

So when...

You find yourself in a situation that you're running this platform like Telegram, and then you protect the freedom to express ideas that don't go in line with the mainstream narrative.

You often find yourself in this crossfire.

when the forces in power will say that you must be working with some foreign government that they don't like.

Inevitably, they would say that, oh, if you're protecting these voices, it's not right.

They love you when you're protecting the freedom of speech in a country that is far from them, or better yet, in a country that is their geopolitical rival.

They praise you for that, but then they have this bipolar attitude when you do the same in their own country.

And they say, no, no, no, no, no.

We love you for protecting freedom of speech, but not here.

Not in my backyard.

We don't need it here.

We're all right.

We have free press.

And then you find yourself in this weird spot that Ukrainians say you work for the Russians.

The Russians say you work for the Ukrainians.

And all this schizophrenia.

Yeah.