Payton Moreland
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Jun 2025
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So while the prosecution paints Jacob Nolan as this sort of spoiled rich kid who didn't deserve the jury sympathy, the defense took another approach. They went with an insanity defense or rather diminished capacity. This is a huge risk for Jake's defense team and here's why.
Insanity defenses are used today in less than 1% of felonies and only 25% of those cases are usually successful for the defendant. But here's what an insanity defense means. Basically it states that the person who committed the crime completely lacked the capacity to understand the consequences of their actions. This is hard to prove.
Now, the jury does get to hear about all the ways Pamela had manipulated Jacob leading up to the murder. In fact, at one point, the defense even calls an expert to the stand who compares Pamela to a cult leader. He says, sure, it might have been a small cult, only the two of them, but the principles are the same. It's shaping someone's thought process to meet the leader's ideas.
The jury also gets to hear all about Jacobs history with mental illness, his bipolar diagnosis. But the prosecution claps back, saying bipolar disorder does not keep someone from understanding the severity of their actions, nor does it make someone lose complete control over their faculties, which, yes, is true.
But when you add in manipulation, brainwashing, especially by someone who this person holds to high esteem, that could change. People who are deemed perfectly Oh Gott, Alter. He goes on to say, though, that he wasn't willing to torture Michael. He was just willing to kill him for Pamela. That statement right there was enough to completely discount the insanity defense.
The prosecution says, no, look, like he knew well enough to know, well, I don't want to torture him, but I'll kill him. Here was Jake years later.
Admitting he was aware of the decision. That he was willing to draw a line at some point. Torture no, but murder yes. The final nail in Jake's coffin though was that he told the psychiatrist in a later clip that he and Pamela were coming up with a plan.
considering different ways to kill michael right and jacob was participating in that brainstorm when asked outright in those clips if he had helped plan the attack he said in a way yeah i did so while jake himself never took the stand in his trial it was still his own words that were being said but you know who else didn't take the stand pamela in fact she was never even subpoenaed to testify
According to Jake's lawyers, that's because no one could find her to order her to court.
Still, the jury believed they had all they needed by the end of the two-week trial. They deliberated for less than an hour and came back with a verdict for Jacob Nolan, guilty of attempted murder. Ultimately, they felt like if Jake could back out of torturing Michael, he could have also backed out of the murder. Wow. Wow.
But just because Jake was behind bars doesn't mean the investigation was closed. In fact, the police seemingly took what Jake said to heart and they kept looking into Pamela, especially when one giant piece of evidence proved Jake was not alone in this after all, despite what Pamela had been saying.
Turns out, Pamela went with Jacob the night before the attempted murder to Home Depot to help him buy that sledgehammer. And because she's seen on security footage standing in line next to him and paying for it with cash, there's no pinning this all on Jacob at this point, nor more. He said, she said, it's clear Pamela was definitely involved in planning this.
Frankly, if she hadn't have gone to Home Depot with Jacob and been caught on security camera, they might not have had enough. So instead, an arrest warrant was finally issued for the 47-year-old Pamela in October of 2017, almost five years since that attempted murder. Police track her down to a friend's home in Fayettsville, New York, about four and a half hours outside of the city.
And when they knock, Pam's the one who answered. She was placed in handcuffs, brought back to New York City to face the charges for her connection to the attack. The pandemic hits, time goes on, blah, blah, blah, like we see in all these cases. In September of 2022, it's now nearly a decade since the attempted murder, she shocks a lot of people when she changes her tune.
She goes into a courtroom and changes her plea to guilty. But the twists weren't over yet. Pamela went back into the courtroom a month later for her sentencing hearing and she says, ah, never mind, I withdraw my plea. Wow. Wow. Michael Weiss was there. He witnessed the entire thing.
Sorry, not Michael.
So Michael was there. He says in an impact statement, While I am grateful for this day that's arrived, it has not brought me the sense of relief or the feeling of closure I hoped it would. Although it's been almost 10 years since I was attacked, I still struggle with the emotional and physical scars of what happened to me on November 12, 2012.
pam will not be eligible for parole until 2027 and i think it's safe to say she will not be allowed to resume her psychiatry practice once she is released and that is the attempted murder of michael weiss it's kind of sad because the kids also affected and he didn't do anything like now he's gonna grow up basically without a mom because his mom wanted to kill dad which is insane
It's a huge, gigantic mess. And again, we often are talking about mental health in these cases, but this was one case where a lot of people believe that if mental health had not been a component, there actually would have not been any attempted murder.
I guess we'll really never know for sure, though. All right, you guys, that is our case for this week, and we will see you next time with another one. I love it.
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