Penny Pijnenberg

But let's say, so basically almost everyone, right, that's nearly 80% of women who can get this at somewhere between, well, you're saying your daughter has it.

So let's say between your 20 and your 100.

Because a lot of women in the care homes or older women get all these UTIs, right?

My sister works in a care home.

I've once asked her, I said, is this actually true?

And she says, yes, a lot of them.

And the doctors give them a lot of antibiotics.

And it's so sad.

But also the doctors in the care homes.

When you came over to the Netherlands, I was trying to get in touch with a doctor who was at the care home where my mother lived.

Because I wanted her to see also your presentation about the risk of not taking hormones.

Because I think the people that are the geriatric doctors that are treating elderly, I don't think they are aware of this link.

And yes, it might be too late to start an 80-year-old woman maybe on hormones.

No, not at all.

Yeah, that's a whole discussion too, right?

But at least I think it's good if those doctors understand, but there seems to be a gap.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So my mother passed away about a little bit over a year and a half ago.

And the last nine months of her life, she was living in a care home.