Penny Williams
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first heard Jan 2018
last heard 11 Nov
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There was a study a year or two ago that I wrote about for Healthline that showed that kids who already have a diagnosis of ADHD on average get
Um an autism diagnosis an average of three years later.
than if they didn't already have the ADHD diagnosis because so many symptoms really overlap.
There's so many symptoms of one that could be the other and vice versa.
So it's really hard to tease it apart.
And so, you know, it does really take a clinician that's willing to dive very deep and look at everything.
I mean, this woman did
I think we did at least ten rating scales, if not more.
She went back and talked to the therapist that we had worked with, you know, all sorts of people.
And really took her time to get a very clear picture of every little piece.
And then she could very clearly see it.
But it's stuff, you know, if you would meet him and talk to him, somebody like you and I who knows about ADHD and autism, you would pick up on ADHD probably.
You would probably not pick up on the autism.
It's more of a daily functioning and a social, you know, peer to peer functioning thing for him.
Um, and getting stuck.
That was the other
symptom that I was noticing that was really beyond the scope of ADHD is he would get stuck on thoughts, not just fear thoughts, but if there was something he wanted, he would get stuck until it he and and beyond perseveration even.
And that, you know, is a definite symptom for some of autism, of getting really stuck.
So, you know, there were just little signs, but it's very, very common for ADHD or autism to kind of camouflage the other.
Not really.
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