Pete Buttigieg

I would also say, though, that I don't say that's new.

You know, the gatekeeper is often the kind of other word you use for a chief of staff.

You know, the gatekeeper is often the kind of other word you use for a chief of staff.

You could feel that he was growing older.

You could feel that he was growing older.

I mean, I think we all saw that.

I mean, I think we all saw that.

I think my experience, and obviously I wasn't at the White House every day.

I think my experience, and obviously I wasn't at the White House every day.

Most of the time I was out in the field doing transportation work.

Most of the time I was out in the field doing transportation work.

But what I would see if I was at an event was the same as what you'd see watching TV.

But what I would see if I was at an event was the same as what you'd see watching TV.

I think the debate was a real turning point.

I think the debate was a real turning point.

Which wasn't good.

Which wasn't good.

Yeah, I mean, the debate was a turning point, right?

Yeah, I mean, the debate was a turning point, right?

Where you just saw, I think everybody saw what everybody saw.