Peter Ames Carlin

They kind of good cop, bad copped him.

When Bruce said, I think we should throw this out, Mike Appel was like, yeah, hell yeah.

They'll sue us probably and we'll go broke.

But that's OK.

We're still going to do what you want to do.

It's got to be what you want.

But meanwhile, he had called John and said, you've got to talk him down.

He's acting like a maniac.

And so John called him and I think gave him some stern advice.

Yeah.

Which was, no, I know what you wanted to do.

I was with you.

You achieved it.

This is a great record.

And there will be another record no matter what, which he understood as Bruce's greatest fear, that this was going to be his final word because there would be no more records.

Oh, absolutely.

I mean, I think it's definitely one of the one or two most emotionally significant records for him.

And he told me every time the anniversary rolls around, he gets in his car and he puts Born to Run on his stereo and he just drives around the shore where he used to live and dream of becoming a popular rock star.

And when he realizes it's getting close to the end of the second side, he drives to the street where he used to live in the little bungalow he rented and wrote those songs on the little piano he had there.

And he parks outside that house and listens to Jungleland.