Peter Kafka

Chances are your favorite websites used to depend on Google for traffic and money.

But that's not really working anymore.

Now publishers are scrambling for new lifelines.

Neil Vogel, who runs People Inc., says his company figured it out a couple years ago.

You would think, given what everyone said about us, that we would be the guys that would be doing the worst now.

We're kind of the guys doing the best now.

I'm Peter Kafka, the host of Channels, the show about tech and media and what happens when they collide.

You can hear my conversation with Neil Vogel now, wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.

We drank beer.

I liked beer.

Still like beer.

It's crazy when things get on social media how...

how fast they go.

And just, of course, I would never say anything like that.

Chances are your favorite websites used to depend on Google for traffic and money.

But that's not really working anymore.

Now publishers are scrambling for new lifelines.

Neil Vogel, who runs People Inc., says his company figured it out a couple years ago.

I'm Peter Kafka, the host of Channels, the show about tech and media and what happens when they collide.

You can hear my conversation with Neil Vogel now, wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.