Peter Kafka

Neil Vogel, who runs People Inc., says his company figured it out a couple years ago.

I'm Peter Kafka, the host of Channels, the show about tech and media and what happens when they collide.

You can hear my conversation with Neil Vogel now, wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.

For me, it is a white guy of a certain age.

He's probably like 5'9".

He tells women he's six feet tall.

There is a little bit of like performance of success.

Yeah.

I also think like so much of our pop culture appetite is voyeurism and spectacle and

And I think that that will always endure.

I mean, Brittany, like even the way that you've been talking about this, it's like we sort of used finance bro and tech bro interchangeably.

But like you could arguably call Mad Men a show about ad bros.

Exactly.

That was the hot job at the time.

And it's a job that people don't understand.

And I think so much of like television is really interesting to people when you're getting like these episodic chunks of time that are a look into like another world that you're never going to access.

I'm never going to really understand what a margin call is, but I'm really going to enjoy watching industry every week.

I think that for me, basically what the show is doing is destroying that character or that representation by being more ethnically inclusive with its cast.

And by doing the thing that I love when representation does this, which is just that, like, good representation is, you know, like, we can also be terrible, like,

were also awful.