Peter Molloy

So is the value still in that dealing with people who are dedicated project carriers and therefore, or are you happy to take the challenge on yourself or how does it work?

People start getting creative, you know, and that's when all these other carriers, all these other options start coming in.

yeah, this is impossible, or the ships aren't there, the ships don't exist, so there isn't an option, so now I have to be creative.

So there's always going to be that kind of cooling factor, especially if there is, unless there's high utilization in all the other possible sectors.

And like they're saying, we're facing a high possibility that there won't be high utilization in one sector in particular.

You have to call him this year.

I have to back up what Henk says.

I think there's a lot of us versus them politics at the moment.

I'd like Mr. Trump to just make a decision.

and stick to it.

I think if he has a plan, execute your plan, stick to it.

If you're gonna put in a tariff, put in a tariff and let us all adjust to it and move to it.

This kind of rolling it back, seeing how far you get, I think he actually does believe his art of the deal book works, but the problem is he sold the book, so everyone knows

how it works, right?

So, so just settle on what you're going to, if that's what you're going to do, that's what you're going to do.

What would I change?

I'd like people to... There's a lot of talk about data.

Everyone loves data, right?

But the thing is, as far as I'm concerned, data has a certain value, but it's not as valuable as information.

And if you...