Peter Tragos

They did that the first trial.

They also had a much more boring prosecutor, but just kind of a normal prosecutor who put everybody up there and was like, tell us what happened.

They repeated the same facts a million times.

And while reports from that jury room where they were all not guilty on second degree murder, there was a split and the majority thought that she was guilty of manslaughter or at least taking his life in some sort of way with the car.

In that first round of trial, but it ended up being a split verdict and a hung jury and everybody changed their way.

And I think the defense was much more successful round two.

I think they would have won regardless round two because they didn't try to prove the conspiracy within that criminal trial, which can be very difficult.

It can kind of burden shift and confuse the jury, but.

Just like you're saying, there were some jurors that thought that she did hit him with her car throughout the first trial.

So there's obviously the possibility that that could be proven in a civil court, but

You would be amazed and appalled at the discovery that was not turned over in the first trial that was turned over before the second trial.

At the discovery they're going to be able to get in this civil litigation that they did not get their hands on in the criminal case.

I think there are going to be so many added factors and facts during the civil process that I'm not sure we know exactly what it's going to look like yet.

So first, just to comment on what they're saying, I think it's horrible that people's lives get ruined and people get accused of things like this with very little evidence and go after their kids and their livelihoods and things like that.

I also think that there are some fair criticisms like the Alberts who lived in the house never came outside the entire morning when there were all these EMS people and witnesses and everything outside and their friend is dead on their front lawn.

They never come outside to try to help.

They both have emergency or I know he has emergency training, was former law enforcement.

That stuff is really strange to me and hard for me to get over.

And the way they spoke about John O'Keefe, somebody that was supposed to be their friend, there's just so much strange stuff going on.

Turtle Boy is a journalist who looked into this case, found witnesses nobody knew about, like a tow truck or a plow driver or