Peter Tragos

Nobody could end up prosecuting one of Turtle Boy's cases, so they just had to drop it.

So it's a whole other separate saga himself.

how not to investigate and prosecute a case.

I think I could do a lot of sessions on the appropriate way, what ethics look like.

Even if you think somebody is guilty, if you can't put the lead investigator on and you can't put out your evidence on because you don't trust it yourself, maybe you shouldn't be prosecuting this case.

and not staking your career and risking it all on one case and realizing mistakes will be made in life and we just have to let the chips fall where they may.

As a criminal defense attorney, you learn to fight, to dig, even if the judge sometimes can be very difficult, even when it seems like everything is stacked against you.

It's also a lesson in PR, like the way the defense attorneys have done their interviews and

set up Karen Reed to do interviews in ways that I disagree with.

I would never have had Karen Reed do any interviews.

They have.

They said they welcomed them being played at trial.

So it could be some lessons on that, some great lessons on cross-examination, some great lessons on civil litigation, how to try to get federal documents where you request them from the federal government and then try to show them as unbiased third party, bringing experts into the case, investigating an investigation.

So many interesting nuances to this case that law students could learn from.

But

You don't always want to learn from the exception, right?

Yeah.

And it wasn't just the text message.

There's just so much more than that.

But, you know, the number one thing is probably the roles of each job of a lawyer, because you just described the civil situation.