Petra Bagust

So apoptosis.

Okay, nice.

I think that's not uncommon in science and religion, being called a heretic.

No, no.

I'd love to investigate the heretic.

But before I do that, are you saying that this concept of leaf fall, which is certain plants ditch all of their leaves, like they just die and they fall, that that was discovered first in humans scientifically?

Well, yes.

Wow.

We're not very into death or ageing in this society.

That's very good observation skills from you.

They have to be able to program their cells to die to get rid of bad stuff.

Okay.

So what I hear you saying is that the fact that plants can program their cells to die, you've discovered they can deprogram their cells from dying.

They can bring a cell back.

What are you saying?

They're just like on that slide.

It's a water slide and they're on their way out.

Okay, so let's talk about this.

Before, I think it's like 2014, 2017, 2014, GSM, which is an easy-to-remember acronym for a rather long word, genitourinary syndrome of menopause, was called vaginal atrophy.

Yes.