Phil Davis

I think he'd be the first to admit that he's a bit sleep-deprived after 15 years.

But it's 15 years.

I should harp on that for a second.

Well, A, it's an incredibly long tenure for a CEO.

But secondly, a very long tenure for an interim CEO, which is where he started.

So way back when the AFL, Dimitri sent him up to say, hey, could you just help us out?

We had a CEO, he left, and we had a bit of a transition period.

And basically, Dave was up there for, I think it was like three to six months just to settle down maybe the first year.

And then before we knew it, it was a three-year extension.

And then him and Jay and the family were there and...

If you think about, I think about his children, you know, Jack, his eldest, I think I met him when he was eight and now he's just about to finish uni in Canberra.

So you sort of get to this very long time when you get touch point.

And I think, you know, apart from a personal level where I think, you know, he's been a great contributor to my own development, what he's done to the game and what's been a really difficult task.

And I think it can be very exhausting sometimes

to continue to push for the underdog and the little person.

And I think he's done that tirelessly.

And, you know, the Giants will always be thankful for his contribution.

No, I'm fascinated where that ends up, Joe.

I think you've got a very serious decision to make about what type of CEO you get.

I think...