Phil Davis

There's not too many things that he has to –

concern himself with, but I think the major conversations when he talks players, that would be with Kripper and that would be with Sam Walsh, you know, the clear leaders of the footy club, you know, the captain for now and the potential captain for the future, you know, if that was to go that way.

And you'd suspect any change at Carlton with a new coach would include something along the lines of leadership, I would have thought, in the playing group as well.

So there'll be conversations going on with the two of the blokes who would be pretty critical to the now and the future.

So my issue is that the draw looks okay for them.

Absolutely, it would be.

I mean, that's the coach.

Josh can say what he wants publicly, but I know how he'd probably be thinking and feeling underneath.

I think he'd be going, well, why not?

Why not?

Even if this isn't

My next step, Gerard, it's a great stepping stone to my next step, whatever happens in this situation.

A no-lose situation for Josh, that's what I would say.

And the attitude of why not, why not make a run, is a fascinating attitude to take because it –

It gives you all sorts of outcomes in some ways.

It could be a crazy, crazy story to talk about at round 24, couldn't it, if we're sitting there going, well, Carlton are now playing the Gold Coast Suns in the wildcard round.

It's 7th or 7th v 10th or 8th v 9th.

It's going to be a fascinating chat if we get to that stage for Josh.

Party line, isn't it, Jared?

That's a party line, isn't it?