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Phil Houston

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The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

Well, if you look at what she's saying, I mean, there's evidence and testimony that, you know, he punched, you know, Cassie in the stump. This seems like a pattern, a specific pattern of behavior. It's almost like his criminal signature. And there are ways under the rules of evidence to get in hearsay if the declarant is unavailable, if there is like sufficient indications of evidence.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

Well, if you look at what she's saying, I mean, there's evidence and testimony that, you know, he punched, you know, Cassie in the stump. This seems like a pattern, a specific pattern of behavior. It's almost like his criminal signature. And there are ways under the rules of evidence to get in hearsay if the declarant is unavailable, if there is like sufficient indications of evidence.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

Well, if you look at what she's saying, I mean, there's evidence and testimony that, you know, he punched, you know, Cassie in the stump. This seems like a pattern, a specific pattern of behavior. It's almost like his criminal signature. And there are ways under the rules of evidence to get in hearsay if the declarant is unavailable, if there is like sufficient indications of evidence.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

believability and truthfulness and veracity when the hearsay declarant is unavailable. And unavailability might mean a refusal to testify or the fact that she's under subpoena and she's just not cooperating and showing up to court. So what we don't know is strategically how they're going to offer this evidence, what specific evidence they're going to offer it,

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

believability and truthfulness and veracity when the hearsay declarant is unavailable. And unavailability might mean a refusal to testify or the fact that she's under subpoena and she's just not cooperating and showing up to court. So what we don't know is strategically how they're going to offer this evidence, what specific evidence they're going to offer it,

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

believability and truthfulness and veracity when the hearsay declarant is unavailable. And unavailability might mean a refusal to testify or the fact that she's under subpoena and she's just not cooperating and showing up to court. So what we don't know is strategically how they're going to offer this evidence, what specific evidence they're going to offer it,

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

and then under what theory of the federal rules of evidence they're going to offer it. So it's possible the jury could still hear some of that, but we'll just have to wait and see how they do it.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

and then under what theory of the federal rules of evidence they're going to offer it. So it's possible the jury could still hear some of that, but we'll just have to wait and see how they do it.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

and then under what theory of the federal rules of evidence they're going to offer it. So it's possible the jury could still hear some of that, but we'll just have to wait and see how they do it.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

Yeah, sure. There's a lot of, you know, and circumstantial evidence has put a lot of people in prison in the United States over the years, and it will continue to do so. So you put all this together and it does paint a very damning picture. But here's my concern.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

Yeah, sure. There's a lot of, you know, and circumstantial evidence has put a lot of people in prison in the United States over the years, and it will continue to do so. So you put all this together and it does paint a very damning picture. But here's my concern.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

Yeah, sure. There's a lot of, you know, and circumstantial evidence has put a lot of people in prison in the United States over the years, and it will continue to do so. So you put all this together and it does paint a very damning picture. But here's my concern.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

If somebody violated the gag order, what if this judge says, OK, we're not going to let the jury hear this because that's going to be my remedy for violating my gag order? It could very well happen that because of this leak, somebody who's a guilty murderer, well, free.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

If somebody violated the gag order, what if this judge says, OK, we're not going to let the jury hear this because that's going to be my remedy for violating my gag order? It could very well happen that because of this leak, somebody who's a guilty murderer, well, free.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

If somebody violated the gag order, what if this judge says, OK, we're not going to let the jury hear this because that's going to be my remedy for violating my gag order? It could very well happen that because of this leak, somebody who's a guilty murderer, well, free.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

Well, my instinct is similar to yours. I don't suspect it was any of the attorneys related to the prosecution team. Law enforcement, as you mentioned, does tend to be leakier as a general rule. Of course, we don't know until the investigation reveals who the leaker is in this case. But my money would be that it's somewhere in the sort of investigative team on the law enforcement side.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

Well, my instinct is similar to yours. I don't suspect it was any of the attorneys related to the prosecution team. Law enforcement, as you mentioned, does tend to be leakier as a general rule. Of course, we don't know until the investigation reveals who the leaker is in this case. But my money would be that it's somewhere in the sort of investigative team on the law enforcement side.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

Well, my instinct is similar to yours. I don't suspect it was any of the attorneys related to the prosecution team. Law enforcement, as you mentioned, does tend to be leakier as a general rule. Of course, we don't know until the investigation reveals who the leaker is in this case. But my money would be that it's somewhere in the sort of investigative team on the law enforcement side.

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

But here's the problem. The judge is between a rock and a hard place because on the one hand, somebody clearly violated this gag order, and there's got to be a penalty for that. On the other hand, if the judge completely guts the prosecution's case and excludes all of this very, very powerful evidence –

The Megyn Kelly Show
Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1081

But here's the problem. The judge is between a rock and a hard place because on the one hand, somebody clearly violated this gag order, and there's got to be a penalty for that. On the other hand, if the judge completely guts the prosecution's case and excludes all of this very, very powerful evidence –