Phil Houston
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130 appearances
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first heard Mar 2025
last heard May 2025
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Um, and, and in the connections to others, um, and the evidence that, that we, we heard that, you know, about his activities that night, uh, all of that collectively suggests in my mind that, you know, this is our, this is our guy.
As I said before, Megan, you approached him in a non-threatening manner. It's very counterintuitive in these situations. In fact, when we train law enforcement, one of the hardest habits to break is taking that immediate intimidation or intimidating posture and voice and accusations and so forth. You did none of that. You came up in a very polite manner, very professional manner.
And you said, listen, we'd like to talk to you as if you were giving him the option. Now, he didn't know you weren't really going to give him the option that you would probably continue to ask questions and so forth. But he was willing at that point to say, OK, let me see where this goes. Right now, I'm up here on this ladder. I'm in a safe place. So what's the harm?
And maybe I can gain some ground in the meantime. And because of what you ask him and how you ask them, it allowed you to gain ground. And he wasn't realizing that he had let his guard down. And he's now talking to you in narratives instead of one word answers or refusing to answer or whatever. He's thinking, OK, maybe I can pull off a fast one with this lady.
Oh, absolutely. It's one of the most used convincing statements there is. But the timing of when he did it was quite interesting to me. It was interesting because it suggests that he felt he played a good role here, that he really accomplished something in the manner in which he answered your questions. He was kind of being a peacock here and saying, hey, I've been very honest with you.
And in reality, he knows he's been anything but that.
It's, again, truth in the lie, as many of these other statements that he made. He's saying something that's truthful. It did mess up his head. But in reality, a truthful person, that's not going to happen.
In other words, if they'd have gone, a truthful person 10 years later or 13 years later is not going to be terrified and fear that they're going to go to jail or they're going to get the death penalty, whatever the case may be. Yet these are all these things that he's saying, and these are the things that are worrying him.
And so I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a day that goes by that he thinks about that night.
Remember what we said earlier, how he said, I don't have any involvement. That is his agenda in his mind. And so when you ask him a question that is similar to that now, he's already got the answer framed out. And that's why it looks and sounds, you know, more truthful. I'll give you another example of that.
At one point, you ask him, I think, about fingerprints or whatever on the phone, and he gave what on the surface would appear to be a truthful answer.
I suspect by the end of the night, his fingerprints were no longer on that phone. And he knows that and he's wiped them off. And so that's something that he can say, you know, truthfully.
That's the fact that is the best ally for the truthful person. Tell the truth. And in his case, the truth has consequences associated with it. And that's what makes it difficult for him. Now, the advantage he has a little bit is he's been asked a lot of these questions over the years. And so he has some frame of reference.
But what was different this time is somebody's talking to him in almost a kind way. You weren't judgmental of him. And that was really important.
If you assume for a moment that our assessment of John Tanko is correct, And then you look at what Megan is saying about him. She clearly is trying to distance herself from him. It appears likely so much so that it appears likely to me that she knows what he's been up to and likely she knows what happened that night.
And as a result, she doesn't want to go down if he is, you know, if Tanko is finally arrested, you know, uncovered or identified as the perpetrator and is arrested, then she would then become a co-conspirator. And she realizes that. So she's trying to leave the impression in everyone's mind that she has nothing to do with him. And long before the baby went missing, she had nothing to do with him.
And she's trying to create that image. That was by design. Well, when you ask Tanko any questions about Megan Wright, he becomes very protective of her. He immediately says, no, she's not involved. and, and exonerates her. And I believe he's doing that because he knows that she knows and knows what she knows. And as a result, he has no choice but to defend her.
He has no choice but to defend her. She has other options. She isn't the person that actually did it.
Yes, indeed, Jim. Thanks a ton. It's a pleasure to meet you.
I believe that she has, but it's also her undoing, I believe. I spoke to her about a year and a half ago, and when I hung up, I thought, my goodness, the frustration that she's feeling is going to eat her alive.
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