Phil Labonte

No, by that standard, it would be justified.

If that was actually your standard, and I'm not saying that this is the standard that we should go by.

Let me finish.

By that standard, it would be justified to mow all the people down with a machine gun that were in the hallway.

And no, that's not.

Because, again, Ashley Babbitt was trying to go through the window.

She put her head through.

Now, she may not have been trying to climb through or whatever.

But she put her head through the window into a secured area.

That's why legally, not my opinion, but legally it was.

I don't know.

I don't know.

No, no, because if you can't see that she has a weapon, the one in Minnesota, the car is the weapon.

So she obviously has a weapon.

She's behind the wheel of a car.

She's in control of the weapon.

The one when it comes to Ashley Babbitt, she's only putting her head through and he shoots her in the neck.

So you can't see if she has anything in her hands or if she has a weapon.

That's the difference.

If they're attacking you, you can shoot to defend yourself.