Phil Liu

Yeah.

Where were you?

If you just if you cross that, you know, a month, two months ago, where were you a year ago in terms of monthly recurring revenue?

say half of that.

So healthy growth, where's all this growth coming from?

Is it, it's still not, is it so product launches or where's the growth coming from?

I mean, like we're the anti-story of, of like startups.

We'd never really invest our time in marketing.

We're like, we just like to build a product and, and like,

email with our customers that's really much like the only thing we do like everything like people say don't do we only do right uh so like the paid customer most of them right now i would say are either they find us through google like alternative to well-known funded product they will find us or it's word of mouth so a lot of like um

Realtor is going to use missive.

So like one say to another one, hey, I use that product with my TV.

You should try it.

And then so wireless mail is also a big factor in that growth.

And have you bootstrapped or raised?

It's Bootstrap.

But the long introduction to that thing is that it's actually Bootstrap from another product that we launched earlier called Conference Badge, right?

That we were running and that we start Missive.

Actually, we start building the product Missive to help us with the communication in the support at Conference Badge.

So is it a blessing or a curse that you didn't get into YC a couple of years ago?