Phil

Then the third one, which is the one that speaks the loudest to me is he looks at all the splendors of the world and the kingdoms and said, all these are mine.

And Jesus doesn't dispute that, that,

They were bowing down to him, and he said, we can rule this together.

And I thought that Dr. Ward makes a really good point about that, about the idea of heaven and hell always being separate because you can't have a little.

And Jesus showed us that in the moment.

Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.

You can't hold hands with the evil one and rule because they don't go together.

So I've always been fascinated by his going through that for us, his mastering of that, and then ultimately in the cross and the resurrection is that he destroyed him who holds the power of death.

And that's why he's always loomed and held over by his head.

You're going to die.

And so I think that really does show the distinctness of the creative being versus the creator, even in a human body, which is fascinating.

Yeah, for sure.

And I love the idea that, I love what he said, that heaven is an improvement of our humanity.

I never thought about it in those terms.

We've always seen it as just almost a reward versus punishment mindset.

And I think you do that when you compare an apple and apple.

When you compare an apple and orange, he says improvement of our humanity, whereas hell is a banishment that was designed for angels, for other beings.

And whatever our interaction with that's going to be,

It's not about improving humanity.

It's over by then.