Philip Willen

The sensitive documents that Calvi carried around with him in a briefcase could have related to the Bologna bombing. And it's possible that he realized that some of that money that sort of flowed out from the coffers that he was in charge of had gone to financing the Bologna station bombing and possibly other terrorist activities.

My idea would be that he was possibly unwitting about all of that when he came to understand it, and he was desperate to recover the money to prop up the bank and avoid bankruptcy.

The prosecutors in the murder trial, the Calvi murder trial, were very clear that they felt that the motive for his murder was the blackmail that he was conducting at the end of his career to try and save the bank.

The fact that that really alarmed him fits into the idea that he knew there was a dangerous connection there for him, and therefore he panics and he knows he's got to run.

Jelly could well have organized an operation where people kind of cluster around Calvi and say, look, your life is in danger, you've got to get out of the country, we'll help you, let's go to... initially Switzerland, and then change their minds and then go to London and, you know, we'll take care of things for you.

Yes. His reaction, I think, would tend to confirm suspicions that there was something nasty and dangerous underlying it for him.

It was quite a kind of nerve-wracking experience to speak to this man who had a reputation of being the puppet master who'd pulled the strings behind many very terrible events in Italian history.

Because he knew how to organize himself.

I took the photocopy of the document to show him, and he said his lawyers had told him not to talk about it, and clearly he knew exactly what it was.

And when Willen asked about Cerruti's name being on the Bologna document... He said that Cerruti was not in Italy and he wouldn't be coming back.

Yes, I mean, it was an indication that you know, Celli knew immediately who we were talking about. He knew where he was, which not very many people did. And I thought, given the suspicions around the document and around Celli and around Cerruti, to say immediately he won't be coming back to Italy is a very significant response.

Trudy was a kind of fixer and assistant to Gelli over a number of years.

The suspicion is that Cerruti may have been the person who actually passed on the money directly to the bombers.