Philly McMahon

and he's a big big personality like he's a huge personality and that would be spoken about to the players so much that would distract them from what actually they're trying to trying to achieve like you know and particularly the time of like this is his

isn't this his third season?

Am I saying this is his third season?

So, I'd say he's, he's saying to himself, right, first year we had a really good crack, a second year, get to a final, third year, this is it, let's go.

Do you know?

To have something like that in the way would be disastrous.

Yeah, it's hard to know.

The management team that Desi trusted in, they were good lads.

Their roles...

probably didn't change huge amount, but they had to add the added layer of, you know, I don't think there was anybody particularly that stood up as I'm now the manager.

They kind of all stood up.

I'd say Mick Galvin probably was Desi's number two at that stage.

And he would have been like kind of maybe the one that would link in with the management team.

But they all stepped up in fairness.

And we all had to step up as well.

But it was difficult.

There's no doubt about it.

There's no hiding it.

It wasn't normal.

It is, it is.