Phoebe Judge
👤 SpeakerAppearances Over Time
Podcast Appearances
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This is an episode of Criminal Plus, the show I make with Lauren Spohr, co-creator of Criminal.
It's very different from Criminal.
My father thinks it's the better show.
If you like it and want more, become a member of Criminal Plus at patreon.com slash criminal.
It's the very best thing you can do to support all of our work.
I know you've heard me say that before, but it is really true.
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Again, that's patreon.com slash criminal.
There's a link in the show notes too.
Lauren, I have been on a journey.
I have been on, it's maybe one of the biggest journeys I've ever been on in my life.