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And the reason, the purported reason for why this happened was because the pastor has some affiliation, in fact, potentially employment with ICE, has done a declaration before for ICE.

And so that was what they did.

They went in there.

There's some lack of clarity on the amount of time, but apparently they left before police arrived.

And so it doesn't sound like they were there for hours and hours.

But those are the facts as best we know them.

Don Lemon was traveling with them and interviewed some individuals on his live stream.

They're very important.

Oh, good.

Sorry.

Yeah.

Yeah, I was referencing more sort of like the fact that the space is owned privately and it's not like a sort of open forum where they're doing some kind of service, where the First Amendment turns on such that those additional standards relating to traditional public fora apply.

But presumably they asked the people to leave if this was like a church that was open to people to generally come and they asked them to leave.

And so that would be relevant to the analysis under the FACE Act.

There have been cases that have been sustained under the FACE Act for conduct that happens within churches.

And so the fact that it's private might weigh into that determination of how much obstruction was it and is the First Amendment implicated in any respect as applied.

Every court to deal with the FACE Act on its constitutionality has upheld it as constitutional because you're really not targeting speech.

You're targeting these kinds of conducts.

The intent portion is super important.

What Emily just brought up.