Professor Ian Plimer

And this was a scientific nonsense.

Yet they were claiming it was science.

And this was in the 90s.

And this was my training for various other things in life.

And so I wrote quite a few articles.

I had various debates with creationists.

I put out a book called Telling Lies for God, which was gentle and non-provocative, as the title suggests.

And I realised that there's a very large body of people out there who actually are using science to promote scams.

And the creationists were one of these.

Yes, they were deeply religious, but they were very misguided.

And then...

I saw exactly the same thing arise in the late 90s with climate change.

I could see exactly the same hallmarks.

This was a religion.

It had all the hallmarks of the religion with sin and with redemption, with paying penance.

And basically, you have to give up something in your life.

We won't as the leaders of the religion, but you have to.

And I started to look at the science, and the science is absolutely totally incommensurate with my science, and that is geology.

I'd published by then hundreds of scientific papers.

By then I'd had a few books out.