Professor Katriona O'Sullivan

But it is also the other thing, because when we teach people that hard work is really important, we diminish then the people who, Ray,

Can I just say something about my childhood, Ray?

I woke up in a pissy bed with no food in my stomach every morning.

And sometimes I walked past my mum on the couch with a needle in her groin.

And I walked five miles to school in clothes that were too small for me.

Right.

And I sat next to Annette, who lived in a lovely converted bungalow.

And she had a chessboard on her coffee table and her man wore an apron and she had a spare room for studying.

And me and her were told from the beginning, work hard and you can get the same results.

And that's a lie.

Just if you're hungry, you can't concentrate in the same way other people are just hungry on its own or worry about bills.

And it's not that I want to say work hard.

It's not hard work.

It's not important.

But we do lie to young people.

And I think we just need to have conversations about that.

So like I've created a whole resource for teachers and schools to be able to like.

just introduce these conversations about like what people come, even when we, we're more, we're happy to talk about it when it's disability.

We've no problem in saying, Oh, someone comes in with a disability because we're, we're fine with being kind about that.

We're not fine with being kind about social class or addiction.