Professor Katriona O'Sullivan

Do you know what I mean?

In a family.

So anyway, that was a long answer, but I do understand why, why you feel proud.

I would, I feel proud.

I feel proud that I'm... Yes, you do, yeah.

I feel proud.

Yeah.

But I also know that I wasn't the most brilliant person in my community and a lot of them are dead.

And it's not because they didn't work hard.

I worked really hard to get to school.

I actually think there should have been a band at the gate when I arrived saying, woohoo, she's here.

Oh, wow.

It's scary times at the minute, Ray.

I think I'm not even worried about technology as much as I'm more worried about the conversations about equality and how backwards we've gone in terms of like the rhetoric, the cancellation of support systems and programs and things like that.

I still go back to this thing that we're all destined to grow towards the light.

And I hope that collectively that destination will drive us in some way.

There'll be some intervention with whatever negative things are taking over.

Like I'm terrified with what's happening with technology as well.

Not for the same reasons that some people are like, some people are terrified that it's replacing that criticality.

And I'm more scared about communities being galvanized because they lack access to education.