Professor Mariana Mazzucato

How do public and private properly work well together from the beginning with well-designed contracts where the good is nested literally in how they relate one to another?

Capital labor relations.

state citizenry.

So the idea of the book is to say, let's have a compass that holds us to account so we don't have good washing, right?

Because everyone talks about purpose and goals.

Think of the SDGs, the sustainable development goals that we've had since 2015.

We are not reaching them.

We're going to move the date now even further after 2030.

And the book argues that's by design, not by coincidence.

Because at best, we think of the role of the state, which is, of course, important in democratically elected societies.

Fixing a market failure.

So waiting for things to go wrong, then you come in and fix it afterwards, as opposed to shaping to deliver for people and planet.

And the compass that I present, these five pillars that I'm sure we'll get to later, are meant to hold us to account when we talk about good.

So I'm not saying what the common good is.

whether it's health outcomes, climate outcomes.

We have enough people talking about what we should be doing.

What I say is that it's impossible to do good if the theory of good is a correction and not an objective where the how matters as much as the what.

Yeah, so in the beginning, actually talk about why I wrote it.

But just to say one thing quickly, I don't think it's true that all politicians are the same.

I do think that, for example... I don't think I said that.