R. A. Briggs

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Elucidations · Episode 106: R. A. Briggs discusses gender · 22 Jun 2018 podcast

So if a social category sort of starts out based on sex and then changes gradually, then it can remain a gender.

I think that's not a bad analogy.

So maybe species work like this, too, where the characteristics of a species can drift around without destroying the species.

Right.

So this person isn't excluded sort of by the definition of the category man from counting as a man anymore.

A funny thing about our count is that it doesn't yet say.

So just the thing that I told you about sort of primordial and historical genders doesn't tell you who counts as a man.

So it doesn't tell you whether this person counts as a man.

It doesn't tell

whether a cis man counts as a man either.

So we've got to say more.

And this is where the normative stuff that I was talking about earlier comes in.

So I said, who counts as a man or a woman is who ought to be counted if you hold fixed features of the categories, but sort of make society otherwise more just.

So I think that a trans man who lives in a transphobic society and doesn't pass ought to be counted.

And so I think that person is therefore a man because they ought to count as a man.

Yeah, so both of those things.

Also, I should introduce maybe one distinction that I wasn't super clear on, which is there's a difference between conditions for actually counting as a man or a woman and conditions for being counted as a man or a woman by the people around you, and those can come apart.

So you can have a woman who is mistaken for a man by everybody around her.

And so I definitely want to say, look, the conditions for being classified as a man or a woman can change over time.

Can the conditions for actually counting as a man or a woman change over time?

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