Rachel Abrams

The last person I want to talk about is Casey Wasserman, who is an enormously influential figure in media and in entertainment.

His talent agency represents some of the biggest names in sports and music, some of the biggest performers.

He separately is helping to run the Olympics.

Tell us what happened with him.

What did he do?

And what do you make of that?

You know what's really interesting, Nick?

You and I were both at the epicenter of The Times' Me Too coverage.

We were both investigating individuals and systems and companies that allowed people to get away with predatory criminal behavior, in some cases for years without consequence.

And I remember at some point – and I couldn't tell you when this would have happened – but at some point, it felt like there was a bit of a shift.

And it felt like that shift was that society was willing to mete out consequences for lesser and lesser bad behavior.

And so, therefore, the blast radius was getting larger and larger.

And like I said, I don't know when that happened, but with the Epstein files and the release of them –

It feels like we are getting some inkling that that might be happening on an accelerated timeframe.

Right.

Michael Shearer made the point to us earlier that people's hunger for accountability far outstrips what they feel they are getting from the legal system.

Former Prince Andrew, for instance, that's only, I think, the third arrest that we have seen related to Jeffrey Epstein.

Besides Jeffrey Epstein himself, of course, and Ghislaine Maxwell.

And I wonder if that helps to explain at all the public appetite for some kind of consequence like what we are seeing now, a little bit regardless of what the people have actually done.

But that's similar to me, too, we should point out, right?