Rachel Abrams

We wanted to talk to you after we've just talked to David Enrich about what we learned from these more than 20,000 pages worth of emails from Jeffrey Epstein.

And I want to ask you, somebody who's been covering the saga from Capitol Hill, to explain to us why these emails have been released and where exactly we are in the long journey of trying to get all of the Epstein files released.

So just to be clear, there are two parallel efforts going on here.

One is to get the DOJ to release the files, and the other one is from this House Oversight Committee to get more information about Jeffrey Epstein and his relationship to these powerful figures, including President Donald Trump.

Okay, so the read on this is basically that Johnson is supportive of the House Oversight Committee's efforts, but not supportive of the efforts to force the DOJ to turn over other documents, right?

Right.

So let's just pause for a second.

The Democrats released three emails first before this trove of 20,000.

So why did they choose to take that step?

So if Republicans had an incentive to keep the focus on the end of the shutdown, why did they then release 20,000 plus files on Jeffrey Epstein?

But as we just learned from David Enrich, the 20,000 documents did have a lot in there about President Trump and basically just like reinforce the idea that Epstein was fixated on Trump in many ways and raised a lot of questions about the relationship between these two men.

So if the intent was for Republicans to detract attention away from the singular relationship between Trump and Epstein, it does not seem like that, at least today, had that desired effect.

And that is the thing that you mentioned earlier, where if enough people sign on, they can force a vote that bypasses the Speaker on whether or not to release the Epstein files, correct?

So obviously, Wednesday was the day that she was going to be seated.

The shutdown was finally ending.

What happens next?

So what happens next?

How quickly might we actually see the DOJ documents?

So what you're saying is basically this could die in the Senate.

But even if it didn't die in the Senate, even if it got to the president's desk, what would the point of that be?