Rachel Abrams

And it seems like you actually were the one digging into who these people were. Tell us about what you actually found when you started to do that reporting.

Okay, so obviously those are very violent offenses. Did you find any other types of criminal activity?

Okay, so obviously those are very violent offenses. Did you find any other types of criminal activity?

So we're talking about criminal records here, but what about the accusation that these men are in fact TDA or gang-affiliated?

So we're talking about criminal records here, but what about the accusation that these men are in fact TDA or gang-affiliated?

These are the photos that I think a lot of us saw, right? With men with shaved heads, their arms behind their back, at some sort of prison complex, it looked like.

These are the photos that I think a lot of us saw, right? With men with shaved heads, their arms behind their back, at some sort of prison complex, it looked like.

So, Julie, earlier you said that when you were speaking to families of the men on these planes, like Arturo's, you began to notice traits that they shared that seemed to have made them targets for deportation. Tell me about those traits.

So, Julie, earlier you said that when you were speaking to families of the men on these planes, like Arturo's, you began to notice traits that they shared that seemed to have made them targets for deportation. Tell me about those traits.

Wait, so, okay, so a point system, like, if you get enough points, the government says you are a gang member? Do I have that right?

Wait, so, okay, so a point system, like, if you get enough points, the government says you are a gang member? Do I have that right?

Can you just explain that a little bit? Like, how are the points actually assigned and what do you accrue points for?

Can you just explain that a little bit? Like, how are the points actually assigned and what do you accrue points for?

I mean, this strikes me as, like, not foolproof. I mean, is this point system that is used by law enforcement in this case to identify gang members, is this typical? Is this unheard of? Can you put this into context for us?

I mean, this strikes me as, like, not foolproof. I mean, is this point system that is used by law enforcement in this case to identify gang members, is this typical? Is this unheard of? Can you put this into context for us?

Mm-hmm. And were tattoos one of the common denominators you were finding among these men?

Mm-hmm. And were tattoos one of the common denominators you were finding among these men?

Right, because presumably there might be fans of Michael Jordan and Lionel Messi who want tattoos of images that they helped to popularize. And those people might not be in gangs. And similarly, people who wear urban street wear might not be in gangs. So it sounds like this, from everything you have learned, this system of identification really has some kind of questionable flaws to it.

Right, because presumably there might be fans of Michael Jordan and Lionel Messi who want tattoos of images that they helped to popularize. And those people might not be in gangs. And similarly, people who wear urban street wear might not be in gangs. So it sounds like this, from everything you have learned, this system of identification really has some kind of questionable flaws to it.

Julie, I feel like it's totally fair for us to point out that these deportations might have been extremely flawed, that these conditions might be extremely harsh. But I want to note two things. The first is that many Americans voted for President Trump. and feel that the immigration system in this country is broken.